Can you add a generator to an electric vehicle to create regeneration?
We have been fooled into depenency on fossil fuels. Take the fuel motor out of a hybrid and replace it with an electric motor the vehicle becomes regenerative. Add a generator to an electric car or conversion kit. Add regenerative braking(already on some hybrids)and solar panels for optimum efficiency. Take the fuel motor off a home generation system and add an electric motor then you have regeneration without the use of fuels. Run power plants with electric drive sysytems. Yes it is that easy. Tesla knew this that is why some of his work is classified. This information is free to all.
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The problem being, you cannot create more energy or even the same amount of energy as you put into something. You can make it incredibly efficient, but it will still require some initial investment. I say we turn to gravity. It has always been, and it will always be. We only need to find an efficient way of harnessing it.
I think you are talking about a perpetual motion machine, which is impossible.
People have been trying to make one of these for hundreds of years, and not one has ever worked. And that is because it’s just not possible.
Just think, if you could generate electric power from nothing, every auto manufacturer would be knocking on your door. Even more, we could shut down every coal, oil, nuclear, wind, solar power plant and use this method. But, sad to say, you can never get something from nothing, so we will have to stick with our fossil fuels and hope nuclear/solar/wind power comes on line in time.
Best analogy I’ve found:
Start out with a £5 note. Go to a bank and change it for five £1 coins (minus a service fee). Go to a different bank. Change your coins for a £5 note, minus another service fee. Repeat until you have several million pounds!
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Wow – “some of his work is classified” must mean he has the secret to energy independence – not that he did stuff involved in nuclear weapons.
Regeneration means making electricity from the momentum build up from other sources – in automobiles it means using the electric motors that are driving the wheels for braking. But only part of the energy put into speed can be gotten back, both because some was used for air resistance, etc., and because of inefficiencies and the laws of conservation of energy.
Putting a generator in the system in the way you babble about simply won’t work and will add to the cost for very little gain.
And if you take the fuel motor off a home generation system and put an electric motor on it, what is going to drive the electric motor? And why run that motor and generator with that power when you can use it directly instead of losing 10-30% from motor and generator losses.
And even if the most optimistic combination of your choices is put together – today it is much more costly that most people can spend.
Regenerative braking is when the motor is used to slow the car by making the motor generate electricity. The use of a generator on an electric car is not a new concept (we had electric drive ships in WW2). The Chevy Volt is an electric drive car that will have a gasoline powered electric generator on it to extend its range once the battery runs down..
The ZAP Xebra has a solar panel option to provide trickle charging when parked.
http://www.zapworld.com/zap-xebra-truck-solar
What you cannot do is get free energy by having a regenerative system recharge the batteries. There are numerous losses which prevent you from doing this type of perpetual motion. If it worked we would have been doing it long ago…. Regeneration is merely a way to recover SOME of the energy that would otherwise be lost when a vehicle slows down.
As far as modifying an existing gasoline car into an electric car we already have the technology. In fact there are several companies that will do the conversion for you. The process is very expensive and its not approved in all states.
http://www.stefanoparis.com/piaev/acpropulsion/eBox/ebox.html
DIY conversions are also difficult to insure and without insurance you can’t put a car on the road in most states.
I ran head long into this problem here in Massachusetts 2 years ago when I looked into how to put an electric conversion on the road. The registry would not consider an electric conversion and teh insurance company didn’t know how to insure it even if the registry approved it. Also the yearly inspection requires an emissions check of the gasoline engine to get a sticker.
Yes I know there wouldn’t be an engine but the VIN number of the vehicle indicates there is a gas engine in the car an not an electric motor. There is no mechanism to get a New VIN number or modifying the existing records to show that there is an electric motor. The only way to put an electric car on the road in MA at the time was to buy an approved Electric car Like a RAV4 EV and repair it.
Massachusetts also revoked the registrations of Xebras placed on the road. So much for an affordable EV.
http://green.autoblog.com/2008/08/01/massachusetts-revokes-zap-xebra-registrations/
Losses.
The issue is losses. The system always consumes more energy than can be recovered via regeneration.
And that bit about Tesla’s work being classified – pure urban myth.
yes, a well designed hybrid with regenerative braking, and supplementary solar panels is currently the most efficient vehicle design category available.
However, to turn a generator with an electric motor, you have to have a source of electricity, and guess what, when you run an electric motor, some energy is lost as heat, and some energy is lost to friction. when you turn a generator, some rotational energy is lost to friction, and some generated energy is lost overcoming the inherent resistance in the windings.
believe me. if it was practical to turn generators with electric motors, do you think the power companies would be wasting their money on coal, oil, natural gas, and hydroelectric dams?
bottom line, there is no such thing as free energy. there are occasions when the cost of energy is hidden, such as putting solar panels on a house that you are trying to shade from the sun, anyway, or putting up a windmill in an area that has no shortage of wind. however, you are still binding natural (or synthetic) resources in order to manfacture those systems.
you want to reduce your energy usage, don’t waste energy. THAT information is free to all.
When I was 6 years old I thought of that: Hook a generator to a motor and give it a SPIN!
Generator generates electricity—– generator powers the motor —– motor turns generator!!!! Profit!!!!
But the pesky laws of Thermodynamics get in the way. A few percent of the energy gets lost on each loop through due to friction, magnetic losses, electrical losses…… Within a few seconds things come to a stop.
Even if the motor and generator were 100% efficient, at best you’d have perpetual motion. With nothing left over to use to move a vehicle or whatever.
You can, and it has been done.
The driving motor itself is converted to a generator to accomplish this.
It’s called ‘regenerative braking’, and it’s used on high efficiency
hybrid vehicles to recover energy than would be otherwise lost.
It’s not a ‘free lunch’. You still lose energy to rolling friction and
air resistance in the operation of the vehicle.
If you take the gasoline engine out of a hybrid and replace it with an electric motor what is going to power the electric motor? Regenerative braking? I don’t think so.
The question you should ask yourself is: What’s going to power these electric motors you talk about?
Remember all machines (motors are machines) have losses. They are not now nor will they ever be 100% efficient.
Think of machines as a black box.
(Energy out) = (Energy in) – (losses)
The energy in may be in the form of steam and the energy out may be in the form of electricity but there will always be losses in the conversion process.